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October 14, 2008

Military Salute: Obama vs McCain

October 14, 2008 | By | 5 Comments


Obama will not salute our flag Your Business Blogger(R) did a tour of duty in combat arms.

One of the first tasks to learn on assuming a military position was

(as Bill Clinton was slow to learn) the military salute.

Another Democrat, Obama

and the war hero,

the war injured McCain

have one thing in common with the military.

If either is elected, neither will salute.

Obama: Because he won’t.

McCain: Because he can’t.

***

Your Business Blogger(R) and Charmaine attended a gala tribune to Paul Weyrich, one of the founders of the Heritage Foundation and founder of Free Congress Foundation, recently in Your Nation’s Capital.

It was a delight to be in a very large room with with people with big ideas. Each who loves his country.

One of the Hosts, Colin Hanna, from Let Freedom Ring, was about to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance and reminded us of legislation allowing veterans to render a hand salute, even if out of uniform, even if separated from active service.

The law was made possible by Senator Jim Inhoufe of Oklahoma — a Republican, of course.

A conservative, of course. Who loves Jesus. Clinging to his religion and his guns…

So the next time you are at a ball game look for veterans during the National Anthem.

They’ll be the ones saluting.

Inhofe Legislation Allows Veterans to Salute the Flag

By Ryan Cassin,

Thursday July 26, 2007

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) today praised the

passage by unanimous consent of his bill (S.1877) clarifying U.S. law to allow veterans

and servicemen not in uniform to salute the flag.

Current law (US Code Title 4, Chapter 1) states that veterans and servicemen not in

uniform should place their hand over their heart without clarifying whether they can or

should salute the flag.

“The salute is a form of honor and respect, representing pride in one’s military service,” Senator Inhofe said.

“Veterans and service members continue representing the military services even when not in uniform.

“Unfortunately, current U.S. law leaves confusion as to whether veterans and service members out of uniform can or should salute the flag. My legislation will clarify this regulation, allowing veterans and servicemen alike to salute the flag, whether they are in uniform or not.

“I look forward to seeing those who have served saluting proudly at baseball games, parades, and formal events. I believe this is an appropriate way to honor and recognize the 25 million veterans in the United States who have served in the military and remain as role models to others citizens.

Those who are currently serving or have served in the military have earned this right, and their recognition will be an inspiration to others.”

See

Gold Star Moms

Visit a cranky vet

Respect for the Flag

Alert Readers have also noticed that Barack Obama has no American Flag on his campaign aircraft. It is not known if he will remove the flag from Air Force One, if he is elected…

Barack Obama also demonstrates that it is impossible for him to support the troops. He took millions from Bill Ayers, the domestic terrorist who attempted to blow up the Pentagon.

How can Obama support the troops and support a terrorist who tried to kill the troops? Obama is not qualified to be commander in chief.

From NRO,

“There’s reason to doubt that oft-repeated pledge of ‘supporting the troops’ when you’ve worked for a man who tried to kill the troops.”

reagan_salutes.jpgUPDATE on new regs at the jump.

UPDATE: 23 Dec 2008, New York Times, Obama Tries Out His Salute, By Jeff Zeleny,

KAILUA, Hawaii – He’s not the commander in chief yet, but was President-elect Barack Obama briefly practicing his salute on Sunday?

On the first morning of his vacation here, Mr. Obama arrived at the Marine Corps Base Hawaii for his daily workout. As he walked out of the Semper Fit Center, his gray T-shirt soaked in sweat, he lifted his right hand and gave a quick salute to two Marines in fatigues who were standing in the distance.

[Reagan knew how to salute; it was within his experience.

The Cubscout is saluting.

Expect homosexuals in both the military and the Boyscouts

under Obama.]

The brief moment was not captured by cameras. Photographs and video were not permitted to be taken on the military base, according to campaign aides.

Mr. Obama and his wife, Michelle Obama, opened their day with a 45-minute workout inside a large gymnasium at Marine Corps Base Hawaii, which is located on the Mokapu Penninsula on the windward side of Oahu, about 30 minutes outside Honolulu. It is sunny and warm here, a world away, at least in terms of the weather, from Chicago.

reagan_salutes_military.jpg

Saul Alinsky was Obama’s mentor who taught Rules for Radicals and how to be community activists. One of Alinsky’s rules was that the activists’ tactics had to be within the experience of the participants. Obama, like most liberals, doesn’t care for the military: it is outside his experience.

Alert Readers well know that Reagan served in uniform, like most patriots, in WWII.


UPDATE:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

October 30, 2008

Source: Department Of Veterans Affairs

WASHINGTON (Oct. 30, 2008) — Veterans and active-duty military not in

uniform can now render the military-style hand salute during the

playing of the national anthem, thanks to changes in federal law that

took effect this month.

“The military salute is a unique gesture of respect that marks those

who have served in our nation’s armed forces,” said Secretary of

Veterans Affairs Dr. James B. Peake. “This provision allows the

application of that honor in all events involving our nation’s flag.”

The new provision improves upon a little known change in federal law

last year that authorized veterans to render the military-style hand

salute during the raising, lowering or passing of the flag, but it did

not address salutes during the national anthem. Last year’s provision

also applied to members of the armed forces while not in uniform.

Traditionally, members of the nation’s veterans service organizations

have rendered the hand-salute during the national anthem and at events

involving the national flag while wearing their organization’s

official head-gear.

The most recent change, authorizing hand-salutes during the national

anthem by veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel, was

sponsored by Sen. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, an Army veteran. It was

included in the Defense Authorization Act of 2009, which President

Bush signed on Oct. 14.

The earlier provision authorizing hand-salutes for veterans and out-of-

uniform military personnel during the raising, lowering or passing of

the flag, was contained in the National Defense Authorization Act of

2008, which took effect Jan. 28, 2008.

***

By Ryan Cassin,

Thursday July 26, 2007

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) today praised the

passage by unanimous consent of his bill (S.1877) clarifying U.S. law to allow veterans

and servicemen not in uniform to salute the flag.

Current law (US Code Title 4, Chapter 1) states that veterans and servicemen not in

uniform should place their hand over their heart without clarifying whether they can or

should salute the flag.

“The salute is a form of honor and respect, representing pride in one’s military

service,” Senator Inhofe said. “Veterans and service members continue representing the

military services even when not in uniform.

“Unfortunately, current U.S. law leaves confusion as to whether veterans and

service members out of uniform can or should salute the flag. My legislation will clarify

this regulation, allowing veterans and servicemen alike to salute the flag, whether they

are in uniform or not.

“I look forward to seeing those who have served saluting proudly at baseball

games, parades, and formal events. I believe this is an appropriate way to honor and

recognize the 25 million veterans in the United States who have served in the military

and remain as role models to others citizens. Those who are currently serving or have

served in the military have earned this right, and their recognition will be an inspiration to

others.”

See

Gold Star Moms

Visit a cranky vet

Respect for the Flag

The president signed the Amendment to Section 9 of Title 4 of the U.S. Code which was attached with the H.R. 4986 Bill under the National Defense Authorization Act of 2008. The amendment reads:

SEC. 594. CONDUCT BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES AND VETERANS OUT OF UNIFORM DURING HOISTING, LOWERING, OR PASSING OF UNITED STATES FLAG.

Section 9 of title 4, United States Code, is amended by striking `all persons present’ and all that follows through the end of the section and inserting the following: `all persons present in uniform should render the military salute. Members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute. All other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, or if applicable, remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Citizens of other countries present should stand at attention. All such conduct toward the flag in a moving column should be rendered at the moment the flag passes.’.

From United States Army Field Manual FM 22-5

The rules of saluting are as follows:

* When you meet someone outside, salute as soon as you recognize an officer (when about six steps away).

* Salute all officers (recognized by rank) in official vehicles identified by special plates or flags.

* Salute only on command when in formation.

* If in a group and an officer approaches, the first soldier to recognize the officer calls the group to attention and all personnel salute.

* If you approach an officer while you are double-timing alone, assume quick time march and render the hand salute. When the salute is returned, execute order arms and resume double-timing.

* The salute is always initiated by the subordinate and is terminated only after acknowledgement by the individual being saluted.

* Accompany the salute with an appropriate greeting, such as, “Good morning/afternoon, sir/ma’am.”

* Salutes are not required to be rendered by or to personnel who are driving or riding in privately owned vehicles.

* It is not customary for enlisted personnel to exchange salutes, except in some ceremonial situations.

* Never render a salute with a noticeable object in your mouth or right hand.

* If you are on detail and an officer approaches, salute if you are in charge of the detail. Otherwise, continue to work. If you are spoken to, then come to attention.

Saluting is generally prohibited in field conditions, as it could help an enemy identify officers.

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Comments

  1. John

    You should understand that it is during the PLEDGE that you are supposed to put your hand over your heart.

    When the national anthem is played you are simply supposed to face the flag and stand.

    Surprising that you would know this.

  2. Jack Yoest

    John, See Section 9 of title 4, United States Code, “veterans who are present… may render the military salute. All other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart…SEC. 594. CONDUCT BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES AND VETERANS OUT OF UNIFORM DURING HOISTING, LOWERING, OR PASSING OF UNITED STATES FLAG.” Citation at the jump.

    BTW, John, in which branch did you serve? It would seem you might have missed the class on military courtesy…

    Thank you for your comment,

    Jack

  3. Alert Reader

    circulating on the net — from USNA at Large:

    Dear Civilians,

    ‘We know that the current state of affairs in our great nation has many civilians up in arms and excited to join the military. For those of you who can’t join, you can still lend a hand. Here are a few of the areas where we would like your assistance:

    1. The next time you see any adults talking (or wearing a hat) during the playing of the National Anthem – kick their @ss.

    2. When you witness, firsthand, someone burning the American Flag in protest – kick their @ss.

    3. Regardless of the rank they held while they served, pay the highest amount of respect to all veterans. If you see anyone doing otherwise, quietly pull them aside and explain how these veterans fought for the very freedom they bask in every second. Enlighten them on the many sacrifices these veterans made to make this Nation great. Then hold them down while a disabled veteran kicks their @ss.

    4.(GUYS) If you were never in the military, DO NOT pretend that you were. Wearing battle dress uniforms (BDUs) or Jungle Fatigues, telling others that you used to be ‘Special Forces,’ and collecting GI Joe memorabilia, might have been okay when you were seven years old. Now, it will only make you look stupid and get your @ss kicked.

    5. Next time you come across an Air Force member, do not ask them, ‘Do you fly a jet?’ Not everyone in the Air Force is a pilot. Such ignorance deserves an @ss-kicking (children are exempt).

    6. If you witness someone calling the US Coast Guard ‘non-military’, inform them of their mistake-and kick their @ss.

    7. Next time Old Glory (the US flag) prances by during a parade, get on your damn feet and pay homage to her by placing your hand over your heart. Quietly thank the military member or veteran lucky enough to be carrying her – of course, failure to do either of those could earn you a severe @ss-kicking.

    8. Don’t try to discuss politics with a military member or a veteran. We are Americans, and we all bleed the same, regardless of our party affiliation. Our Chain of Command is to include our Commander-In-Chief (CinC). The President (for those who didn’t know) is our CinC regardless of political party. We have no inside track on what happens inside those big important buildings where all those representatives meet. All we know is that when those civilian representatives screw up the situation, they call upon the military to go straighten it out. If you keep

    asking us the same stupid questions repeatedly, you will get your @ss kicked!

    9.’Your mama wears combat boots’ never made sense to me – stop saying it! If she did, she would most likely be a vet and therefore could kick your @ss!

    10. bin Laden and the Taliban are not Communists, so stop saying ‘Let’s go kill those Commies!’ And stop asking us where he is! Crystal balls are not standard issue in the military. That reminds me- if you see anyone calling those damn psychic phone numbers, let me know, so I can go kick their @ss!

    11. ‘Flyboy’ (Air Force), ‘Jarhead’ (Marines), ‘Grunt’ (Army), ‘Squid’ (Navy), ‘Puddle Jumpers’ (Coast Guard), etc., are terms of endearment we use describing each other. Unless you are a service member or vet, you have not earned the right to use them. Using them could get your @ss kicked.

    12. Last, but not least, whether or not you become a member of the military, support our troops and their families. Every Thanksgiving and religious holiday that you enjoy with family and friends, please remember that there are literally thousands of soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen far from home wishing they could be with their families.

    Thank God for our military and the sacrifices they make every day. Without them, our country would get it’s @sskicked.’ ‘It’s the Veteran, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.’ ‘It’s the Veteran, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.’ ‘It’s the Veteran, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.’ ‘It’s the Military who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag.’

    One more:

    13. If you ever see anyone either standing for or singing the national anthem in Spanish – KICK THEIR @SS.

    YET ONE MORE: If you got this email and didn’t pass it on – guess what – you deserve to get your @ss kicked!

  4. USNA at Large

    USNA-At-Large, more comments and refinements –

    My entire Kiwanis club in SC missed this until I told them and then they were slow to accept it until I brought in the official notice. Several weeks later about half the guys were saluting when we recited the pledge of allegiance to begin our meetings, which was about the % of veterans. Navy guys are initially a little uncomfortable saluting uncovered but what the heck, any gesture conveying respect for our country or flag, legal or not, has to be very ok, and who expects a mixed bag of old guys in mufti to act in uniform in anything? It is an excellent way to let the citizenry be aware of the ex-military among them;

    Don R

    =============================================

    Let me make one other point. It is NOT contrary to tradition in the Army and Air Force to salute uncovered and in civilian cloths.

    Charlie M ’65

    =============================================

    I think all of you guys are being very disrespectful to our new Commander-in-Chief. After all, he is entitled to set the tone and the protocol for the next four years, so all of you brace up, shove out, and note the following, as guidance from the top:

    —BO refused to wear a flag pin, because “it was divisive.”

    —BO refused to place his hand over his heart during the National Anthem or when the flag passed.

    —His pal, “Bill the Bomber” Ayers, was photographed standing on the flag.

    —His minister, Jeremiah Wright, preached “G– Damn America.”

    —His wife, Michelle, discovered the “first time [she] was proud of her country” was after BO’s nomination.

    So, the following changes will take place immediately, on Jan. 20th:

    —The Washington Post will be renamed Pravda.

    —The New York Times will be renamed The Daily Worker.

    —The American Flag will be replaced by the United Nations flag.

    —The American military will take orders from the United Nations.

    —The Pledge of Allegiance will be modified from “the United States of America” to “the United Nations.”

    —and, the National Anthem will be replaced by L’Internationale, the anthem of international socialism, which is translated from the original French as follows (tell me these lyrics do not describe our future!):

    Arise, wretched of the earth

    Arise, convicts of hunger

    Reason thunders in its volcano

    This is the eruption of the end

    Of the past let us wipe the slate clean

    Masses, slaves, arise, arise

    The world is about to change its foundation

    We are nothing, let us be all

    |: This is the final struggle

    Let us gather together, and tomorrow

    The Internationale

    Will be the human race :|

    There are no supreme saviours

    Neither God, nor Caesar, nor tribune.

    Producers, let us save ourselves

    Decree the common welfare

    That the thief return his plunder,

    That the spirit be pulled from its prison

    Let us fan the forge ourselves

    Strike the iron while it is hot

    |: This is the final struggle

    Let us stand together, and tomorrow

    The Internationale

    Will be the human race :|

    The state represses and the law cheats

    The tax bleeds the unfortunate

    No duty is imposed on the rich

    ‘Rights of the poor’ is a hollow phrase

    Enough languishing in custody

    Equality wants other laws:

    No rights without obligations, it says,

    And as well, no obligations without rights

    |: This is the final struggle

    Let us stand together, and tomorrow

    The Internationale

    Will be the human race :|

    Hideous in their self-glorification

    Kings of the mine and rail

    Have they ever done anything other

    Than steal work?

    Into the coffers of that lot,

    What work creates has melted

    In demanding that they give it back

    The people wants only its due.

    |: This is the final struggle

    Let us stand together, and tomorrow

    The Internationale

    Will be the human race :|

    The kings make us drunk with their fumes,

    Peace among ourselves, war to the tyrants!

    Let the armies go on strike,

    Guns in the air, and break ranks

    If these cannibals insist

    On making heroes of us,

    Soon they will know our bullets

    Are for our own generals

    |: This is the final struggle

    Let us stand together, and tomorrow

    The Internationale

    Will be the human race :|

    Labourers, peasants, we are

    The great party of workers

    The earth belongs only to men

    The idle will go reside elsewhere

    How much of our flesh they feed on,

    But if the ravens and vultures

    Disappear one of these days

    The sun will always shine

    |: This is the final struggle

    Let us stand together, and tomorrow

    The Internationale

    Will be the human race :|

    [Source, Wikipedia]

    Now you all are prepared for the next four (or eight) years.

    Dick

  5. SSG Marion Kelley

    What position do you assume while inside when the flag is being raise outside?

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